Sea Breeze
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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up
by slimboyfat ini was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.
it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.
i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.
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A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?
by JanH in" (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).
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Sea Breeze
They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct
A perfect example of JW's who cannot seem to reason, only react like an animal when others do not submit to their authority.
"Men can spray a field with chemicals that kill weeds but spare crops; too bad they cannot spray cities with bombs that blow the bad to bits but leave the innocent intact." (The Watchtower, 7/15 1955, p. 436)
Imagine if the WT somehow got political power of the state. If technology would allow it, it looks like they wish to carpet bomb cities and kill everyone who are not JW’s.
At any rate, it is not hard to imagine the radicalization of WT members spilling over into their own family members who dare to question the JW church. The recent "90% of children getting beat study" done recently in Japan supports this. If only we could get such a study in the USA!
BTW, there are excellent quotes from WT in the OP that I have never seen before. Great research JanH !
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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?
by Sea Breeze ini knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.
she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.
no one even remembered her.
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Sea Breeze
Soon, the two adult "witnesses" have "accidents". One healthy young woman dies of an "asthma attack'...with missing medication. Another "commits suicide"...357 in the face..
Sounds like the witnesses I grew up with. I'll tell some similar stories one day.
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Beware of PIMO'S in the Congregation. Convention day 1 video
by liam inthe governing body is now focusing on those that are pimos in the congregation, trying to wake up pimis.
they have a video series featuring a mom, dad, and son.
the mom is fighting cancer.
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A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?
by JanH in" (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).
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Sea Breeze
Christianity at its core is a Jekyll and Hyde affair. It was borne out of hostility and oppression.
Wrong PP,
It was born when a man rose from the dead and presented himself to hundreds of people in the heart of Judaism - Jerusalem; after being publicly crucified and buried three days previously and after predicting that he would raise himself from the dead.
It is this event that radically changed the course of world history. God himself penetrated human history in a very dramatic way, pulling off a feat that ONLY God could do. -
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A gospel of LOVE or a gospel of HATE?
by JanH in" (the watchtower, 10/1 1961, p. 596; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703; bold added).
" (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599; bold added).
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Sea Breeze
Here is a rather graphic Watchtower description of what will happen to Christians and others, who refuse to join Watchtower's “theocratic warfare”. It is from one of Watchtower's children's books: :
"A flesh-eating plague will destroy many. . . . Eaten up will be the tongues of those who scoffed and laughed at the warning of Armageddon! Eaten up will be the eyes of those who refused to see the sign of the "time of the end"! Eaten up will be the flesh of those who would not learn that the living and true God is named Jehovah! Eaten up while they stand on their feet!" (From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, 1958, p. 209)
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Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up
by slimboyfat ini was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that rutherford was in some way preferable to fred franz, because i’ve not come across this view before.
it made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why i hold the opposite view and prefer fred franz to rutherford.
i haven’t done any additional research, so i’m only drawing on what i can remember off the top of my head, but i thought i’d list a few things where i reckon fred franz’s approach was preferable to rutherford.
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Sea Breeze
I was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that Rutherford was in some way preferable to Fred Franz, because I’ve not come across this view before. It made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why I hold the opposite view and prefer Fred Franz to Rutherford.
I don't know why and don't care. That's like comparing Hitler to China’s Mao Zedong and trying to figure out which one murdered the fewest people so you can determine your preference.
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Self control fruits of the spirit. Fat GB seem to lack it
by JohnR1975 infruits of the spirit would surely be required to be gb members?
yet some of them seem to lack self control when it comes to eating.
br herd, mark sanderson and br jackson in these are all very obese.. if they travel to poor places wearing their rolex watches and gold pinky rings the brothers there will surely wonder why they are so fat.. there are many scriptures talking about not being greedy and not gluttonous for food.. if they were really chosen by god as his channel on earth then why can’t they show the fruits of the spirit and show self control when it comes to being gluttonous?.
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Sea Breeze
Nothing was said about giving loyalty to your “leader”, Jesus Christ.
@konagirl
Mmmmm; Jesus always seems to get diminished or left out in JW rhetoric. BTW, thanks for the James citation. Spot on.
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bomb for jehova italy
by andr initaly meets another bomb in front of the kingdom hall, after having caused a scandal on tv, now it is also dangerous to go to the hall.
here is the image of the press release.
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Sea Breeze
Bombs and bullets will only increase the paranoia and victimhood of JW's.
Weaponry and violence only works in the movies. Having said that, I am utterly shocked that more violence has not been targeted on the GB for all their crimes against against children and families.
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Did the WT Policy on Lying Bother You When You Were a JW?
by Sea Breeze inhere's the wt standard for lying: "while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it" - insight pp.
244-245. vs. websters dictionary:.
lie, noun.
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Sea Breeze
I remembered the phrase “you do not owe the truth to somebody who doesn’t deserve it”.
@ LHG
I think this is where the average JW lands. JW's are extremely evasive and prefer this tactic to outright lies. However, if they do "need" to lie (for peoples own good of course) I find they will look for alternative definitions of words, or at least see if a double meaning can be derived so as to improve the overall moral character of the lie. If the recipient doesn't understand the double meaning, it isn't the JW's fault, or so they reason.
You make many other good points as well in your post.
Why do you hear the same cliche remarks from coast to coast - whether you are in California or the East Coast?
Downright creepy.
